One of the common tropes on social media in the summer of 2021was the reports of people of dying of Covid saying, “I wish I had got the vaccine.” The cases reported are true, but it is a message that has been deployed selectively and heavily. Meanwhile, there have been no reports of people dying of Covid saying, “I wish I hadn’t mocked Dr. Kory’s treatment protocol. I wish I had got treatment early in the progression of my infection.” Yet the lack of access to health care and the lack of treatment early in the course of infection have also been very deadly and tragic.
In late August and early September 2021, another viral campaign was the false report about overdoses of “horse de-wormer” (ivermectin) causing havoc at emergency wards of hospitals in the United States. Several major media outlets ran the story without confirming it, and within days it was debunked as fake news, even though the officially approved fake news hall monitors of social media were not the ones who found the error. Rolling Stone magazine and others posted “updates” but failed to publish apologetic retractions. The mistake was acknowledged only in embarrassed whispers. (See Jimmy Dore’s full take-down of this latest episode of corporate media mediocrity.)
The history of treatments for AIDS is worth recalling at this time. When the disease first appeared, Anthony Fauci, then working at the National Institutes for Health (NIH) took the lead in responding to it first by focusing on a vaccine, then by focusing on the antiviral drug AZT. Soon it was clear that AIDS would not be amenable to a vaccine any time soon, so attention shifted to the very toxic AZT, which was used for a long time. It kept people alive for a while, but the side-effects were harsh, and it eventually led to fatal organ damage. It was only after several years that medical research focused on ways to limit the viral load in the body with the drug recombination treatments that are still used today. If we compare the timeline to that of the Covid crisis, we are at that stage where the scientists are realizing the vaccine-only approach must be modified.
As the vaccines fail to be the magic wand for ending the pandemic, perhaps attention will finally go toward the treatment protocols that have been viciously mocked until now. Bret Weinstein alluded to this in a recent interview with Joe Rogan who told him how he recovered from Covid very quickly with the treatment protocol recommended by FLCCC :
While all these stories are focusing on this “horse de-wormer,” no one is focusing on the fact that I got better in five days. Six days later I was working out!
Bret Weinstein reacted:
It would seem to be a demonstration. It’s an anecdote, and it’s not the only anecdote, right? Trump, who is not a picture of health, also got better very rapidly, and his doctors didn’t give a damn about what we were supposed to believe works. It seems they gave him the kitchen sink treatment, as you got, right? And Dr. Pierre Kory also got Covid, and also recovered very quickly. Why? Because he was capable of getting whatever he needed, whatever the right thing was. The public needs to realize, vaccinated or not, you need doctors who will prescribe those things that we think have the best shot of managing this disease, and it certainly looks like this disease, which is very dangerous if allowed to run its own course, can be managed with drugs that we happen to have already. That’s a hopeful thing, and people should (please!) not take up a position that is going to mean that when they or their loved ones need those things, they won’t be available because their doctor’s too afraid to prescribe them.
The world-renowned virologist from Marseille, Professor Didier Raoult continues to give weekly video interviews that have a massive following in France. He is not a radical opponent of vaccination, as he wrote a book about the subject (before 2020) advocating for more government-sponsored vaccination, and more efficient vaccination, against certain endemic diseases that he feels don’t receive enough attention.
In an interview with BFMTV on September 10, 2021, however, he described the flaws in the mass vaccination approach that exists in France and other nations. He stated that people are dying who should have been vaccinated. Instead of a program of mass vaccination carried out through compulsion and coercion, it would have been better to target those who are known to be vulnerable, and they should be dealt with via individual consultations with physicians.
When the interviewer asked him whether he himself was vaccinated, Prof. Raoult refused to answer, insisting it was a matter of private medical information. People should not be asking or telling about their vaccination status. However, he asked with a smile, “Where are we right now?” They were speaking in a hospital where vaccine passes are shown at the door and testing is conducted, and he himself (sixty-nine years old) had recently advised all staff to come in for a consultation about getting vaccinated. From that he hinted that the interviewer and the audience could draw their own conclusions, but he insisted that vaccination status should not be a topic of inquiry in inter-personal conversations. Like sexual behavior and sexual diseases, it’s a matter that has social stigma attached to it.
The online chatter about this interview concentrated mostly on the gossip-and-politics aspects of it, but the most striking thing he described, in my opinion, was his conclusion about what is happening with the evolution of the Sars-Cov-2 virus variants. The institute where he works has done a massive amount of testing and gene sequencing, and the results have led him to believe that human immunity, gained by infection or vaccination, may not be as important as everyone believes. Immunologists look at immunity and what they can target with vaccines. Virologists look at the virus and how it acts and changes.
He stated that each variant wave should be considered as a new epidemic (with different timing in each location), not as a rebound of a thing called Covid-19. He believes, based on the data from his institution (IHU Marseille), that the severe cases during the delta wave were evenly split between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, but he stressed that the virus is now much less fatal. He is confident that the virus is weakening and heading toward the status of an endemic cold virus that doesn’t cause much harm, though he added no one can predict what will happen.
Furthermore, he pointed out something very interesting revealed by the gene sequencing he did during one variant wave that spread from mink farms. Toward the end of the wave, the virus had mutated so much that it had destroyed its own ability to infect a host organism. He said, “You only have to look at what happened with myxomatosis because it’s an extraordinary example of something that at first killed almost 100% of rabbits, and little by little—no thanks to a vaccine—it lost its virulence by mutating into forms that were less and less virulent.”
If this intriguing finding turns out to be a significant factor in the rise and fall of the six-to-eight-week pandemic waves we have seen throughout the world, then the implication is that human interventions were not the deciding factor in ending the wave. Infections didn’t decline so much because we changed our behavior but rather because the virus was done doing its thing.
Joe Rogan Experience, “The ‘Horse Dewormer’ Narrative” From episode #1705 with Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying, September 9, 2021 (10 minutes)
https://youtu.be/HI5gtJ4ObpQ (the segment transcribed below)
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2PFQRsKwSXaxlwl6G99wyc (full interview)
Joe Rogan (JR): It’s spooky just to think that these mainstream news publications have been completely captured to the point where they’re all spitting out the exact same narrative. You’re watching it in realtime, and you think, “Wow, this is crazy.”
Heather Heying (HH): Yeah, I want to say something about horse de-wormer. I want to talk about our book, but I want to say something about horse de-wormer first.
JR: I definitely want to talk about your book.
HH: Never before have I wanted to talk about horse de-wormer, but I feel like it now. So ivermectin, the drug that shall not be named—sure it works against worms in horses and other organisms, but it’s literally understood… it’s on the WHO’s list of essential medicines and has been for years. The discoverer and developer won the Nobel Prize for it in 2014 or 15. I can’t remember which. It is literally understood to have antibacterial and antiviral qualities and works against lots of other RNA viruses, like zika, dengue, and yellow fever, and no one is talking about that. So is it not as effective as some people think it is against Covid? Maybe, sure, but is it dangerous? No. It’s been given hundreds of millions of times. And is it effective? It seems so, but given that it’s safe why aren’t we using it?
JR: You were explaining to me the actual dosage that you would have to take to get sick from this in relation to all these fake stories like the ones that Rachel Maddow tweeted saying that gunshot victims have to wait in line at the hospital—a full-on lie that Rolling Stone magazine printed—a full-on lie that gunshot wound victims are waiting because the hospitals were overrun by people who have overdosed on this horse de-wormer. But what did the actual study show?
Bret Weinstein (BW): Because I’m neither a doctor nor a toxicologist, I’m concerned about citing the result, but I did pursue this with a friend of ours who has a PhD, who is a toxicologist, and he asked, “What are the chances that these stories of hospital beds filling up with people taking too much horse paste are true?” And he found it very unlikely on the basis that even a massive overdose does not seem to be destructive even over the course of many days. He was referring to a primate study in which very high doses were given to monkeys. So in any case, we don’t know the truth of these things. We obviously don’t know anything about whether the horse paste is well produced. It’s possible there’s something else in it that’s not supposed to be there, but the idea that the drug itself is causing a wave of overdoses that is putting people in the hospital is inconsistent with the toxicological data that we’ve got.
HH: I think it’s probably causing a wave of calls to poison control centers with people asking questions.
JR: That makes sense, right?
HH: Yeah, but people asking questions is not the same thing as people being poisoned.
JR: At the same time one of the things that we were talking about earlier is that there is a drug being developed that mirrors the effects of ivermectin.
BW: Yeah, a protease inhibitor, and who knows? It may work, but let’s say it does work and maybe it runs into less resistance because it will be under patent and therefore profitable. One thing that it definitely won’t be is something that we have enough experience with to know what its harms are. The thing about ivermectin is because it’s been in use for forty years and has been administered something like 4 billion times, we know a lot about its consequences, and they’re not zero, but it is one of the safest drugs available to us.
JR: There’s this thing that’s happening too, though, and this is where it gets fascinating because there’s the psychology of these drugs and of compliance, and of which team you’re on. Are you on the team of the mainstream news people that follow the news, or sort of a peripheral sense that believe everything Fauci says and don’t understand how bizarre these things get when massive amounts of profits are involved? And these people automatically want to ridicule anything that might be outside of the realm of what’s being promoted in the mainstream media, which is “get vaccinated,” which is really all you’re hearing.
BW: But we all need to be on team skeptic because if you just simply track the stories that we have been assured are true that have then shown themselves to be false, like the overdoses that were keeping gunshot victims out of the hospital… these stories are revealing that something is just not right about our way of even doing journalism anymore. And I don’t know what to make of it, but the fact that Anthony Fauci was yesterday revealed to have clearly lied to Congress when he told them we didn’t fund gain-of-function research in Wuhan… that was obvious when he said these things, but everyone assumed he had defined the terms in some way that would justify that claim. No, it was just a lie. So here we have somebody who lied to us about masks, has lied to us multiple times, and was also apparently a key to conducting funds in violation of our own ban on gain-of-function research, conducting funds to the Wuhan institute, which may well have caused the pandemic. How is the person who is in the position to have circumvented a congressional ban on this kind of research and possibly therefore have played a prominent role in producing the pandemic… how is he also in charge of keeping us safe, and why are we tolerating him lying to us?
HH: So you said we all need to be on team skeptic. Joe’s exactly right. We’re all being told if you’re on team blue, effectively you’re on team mainstream, or if you’re with someone else, you’re persona non grata, and you’re going to become a second-class citizen. I was going to say we all need to be on team science, and this is in part why we’re here with you. You know we are approaching things scientifically, and the people who keep adopting the mantle of science are saying, “No, I’m following this hashtag “follow the science.” All too often hashtag “follow the science” when you dig into it, it means, “We went into a back room somewhere and concluded something, so we’re going to tell you the conclusion, but just listen to us because we’re scientists. You can tell because of the lab coats.” No, actually, that’s not how science works. Science works by investigating patterns carefully and trying to falsify your cherished results, and we see very little falsification going on right now in mainstream media.
JR: One of the grossest things from Fauci was when he said, “An attack on Anthony Fauci is an attack on science itself.” That’s like saying the attacker is a bad guy in a movie.
BW: You’re right.
JR: It’s a cartoon, a third person villain, a bad guy in a movie. He was literally referring to himself in the third person. This is madness.
BW: Yeah, it is madness, and then somehow it seems to me that were there some normal process running that just simply the number of lies that he has told, the number of places that he has been in error, and his prominent role in possibly causing the pandemic… in a normal era we would have fired him long ago and replaced him with somebody that we had reason to believe might be capable of doing the job well, someone that might have our interests at heart. Something is very far off when this thing just keeps running no matter what evidence of dishonesty emerges.
JR: Yeah, it’s very strange. It’s like we lost our minds during the Trump administration, and objectivity got completely thrown out the window, and tribalism got ramped up to eleven. If you’re on the right team, they’ll protect you, and he’s on the right team, and they got him in this slot as the expert that we go to no matter what. He’s the guy Jim Acosta was talking to about horse de-wormer.
BW: Yeah, that’s right absolutely. When I heard that you had taken horse de-wormer, I thought, “Joe is so famous that I bet the poison control center called him.”
JR: While all these stories are focusing on this horse de-wormer, no one is focusing on the fact that I got better in five days. Six days later I was working out.
BW: It would seem to be a demonstration. It’s an anecdote, and it’s not the only anecdote, right? Trump, who is not a picture of health, also got better very rapidly, and his doctors didn’t give a damn about what we were supposed to believe works. It seems they gave him the kitchen sink treatment, as you got, right? And Dr. Pierre Kory also got Covid, and also recovered very quickly. Why? Because he was capable of getting whatever he needed, whatever the right thing was. The public needs to realize, vaccinated or not, you need doctors who will prescribe those things that we think have the best shot of managing this disease, and it certainly looks like this disease, which is very dangerous if allowed to run its own course, can be managed with drugs that we happen to have already. That’s a hopeful thing, and people should (please!) not take up a position that is going to mean that when they or their loved ones need those things, they won’t be available because their doctor’s too afraid to prescribe them.
. Kim Iversen, “Is Fauci’s Botched Handling of the AIDS Epidemic Being Repeated?” The Hill, September 7, 2021.
. “Didier Raoult face à Bruce Toussaint, l’intégralité de l’interview,” BFMTV, 2021/09/10. This is a translation/summary of a portion of the interview. People with French language skills can verify the accuracy by referring to this source.